Real Men Are Pussy Whipped

hate the whole thing how they try to control men and make them pussies by using the ‘real man’ statement.

Though the description makes sense, of course you want to give the woman what she wants or what she enjoys, but that has nothing to do with being pussy whipped or anything.

In this talk he explains the value of compromise and how underlying frame of relationships is that you are partners, not adversaries. He talks about how that applies to business as well cause that is business channel.

I think the pua world errs on the side of not compromising enough. They want everything to be as they want and view women not as partners but as these irrational being who like to create drama and shit test men for no reason. Their relationships are adversarial in a way. He says he notices this adversarial frame a lot in modern USA society.

He is talking about the importance of understanding of the other parties goals and priorities in a partnership – which is smart for anyone dealing with people.

Adversarial frames basically and how PUA is setting them up. I posted here because a lot of what I read here and watch in occasional PUA youtube video I see people setting themselves up for adversarial frame.

Stuff like:
you are the most important person in this relationship
you have to lead, etc.

People here are following the pua advice and then get results like drama and lmr.
Then they go and repeat that and come with world-wide generalizations like women love drama.
Oh it’s not me, it’s not my selfishness and lack of compromise, it’s womens fault. I am perfectly fine. all of them are wrong.

Of course I am not advocating supplicating, kissing ass, just being a mature adult like the guy in the video. Those two in particular does not at all lead to lmr (which is something that only occurs very early on, and not at all in a relationship) or drama. Leading in particular, decreases drama and makes things a whole lot easier in general.

LMR would happen to anyone managing to pull very fast. The whole PUA thing is to try to do that, and as such, you will bump into this issue. If you go down some other route, you might not get LMR, but it will likely take more time to get some as well. I’m not saying one is better than the other, merely that they are different. And in the end, it doesn’t matter in a LRT anyway.

Yes, it depends on how you lead. If you lead badly, then it’s not going to work. But by “lead”, it’s a bit implied that it’s done in a good way. I don’t think anyone would advocate doing anything badly on purpose.

Being selfish is not what “you are the most important person” is about at all. So that’s not really relevant. Putting yourself first does not mean you don’t care about anyone else. It just means that you don’t put her on a pedestal and do all you can to make her happy/satisfied (and, since the act of doing so will make her unhappy/unsatisfied, it won’t work anyway).

If you are asking me personally if I’m selfish… then yes and no.

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